[MOSAIC] Question re Read Right

Discussion:

thomas

2008-12-09 01:56:17 UTC

Does anyone have information about the Read Right approach to reading? I
have accessed their web pages - claiming spectacular results. But I can't
see anything concrete about their theory of reading or the strategies they
use.

Any info would be appreciated.

sally

Chris and Teresa Casart

2008-12-09 02:42:44 UTC

Permalink

Read Right must be the new "big thing." As of three weeks ago, 5 of my kids
are being pulled for 40 minutes every day for Read Right tutoring.

I haven't had time to study it myself, but I do know it takes intense
teacher training to be able to use Read Right as an intervention. (We're
talking about a minimum of 3 weeks of full-time training just to get
started.) In our school, RR is a 3rd tier intervention for kids who are
SIGNIFICANTLY below grade level in reading. (Like my 4th grader who
benchmarks at a GR level B.)

For the kids that are involved in Read Right, I can no longer work on
decoding/fix-up strategies with them or do word work as it applies to
reading - however you distinguish that. (They are still involved in our
Sitton word study.) They are not allowed to track with their finger. Also,
I don't meet with them in a small group setting anymore. They are involved
in independent reading/writing practice when they return to the room during
our literacy block.

We'll know if it "works" by the end of the year.

Teresa

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Subject: [MOSAIC] Question re Read Right

Post by thomas
Does anyone have information about the Read Right approach to reading? I
have accessed their web pages - claiming spectacular results. But I can't
see anything concrete about their theory of reading or the strategies they
use.
Any info would be appreciated.
sally
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thomas

2008-12-09 04:03:05 UTC

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So what is it that they do??? Or is that all secret? Why wouldn't you
be allowed to do shared reading? Or are you? Can you do comprehension work?
Their materials stress that they do both "fluency" and "comprehension." Are
you allowed to work with the children on writing?
All this "exclusiveness" is kind of troubling. I am most anxious to
know what the strategies actually are.

Another thing that confuses me - it is supposedly an approach that works all
ages....through adults. And they also have a parent program. So if parents
can do it, why wouldn't a regular teacher at least be able to supplement
In the classroom when the kids come back....or during other literacy times
of the day?

Thanks for any info you can still find out....

Sally

On 12/8/08 6:42 PM, "Chris and Teresa Casart" <chrisandteresa at cox.net>

Post by Chris and Teresa Casart
Read Right must be the new "big thing." As of three weeks ago, 5 of my kids
are being pulled for 40 minutes every day for Read Right tutoring.
I haven't had time to study it myself, but I do know it takes intense
teacher training to be able to use Read Right as an intervention. (We're
talking about a minimum of 3 weeks of full-time training just to get
started.) In our school, RR is a 3rd tier intervention for kids who are
SIGNIFICANTLY below grade level in reading. (Like my 4th grader who
benchmarks at a GR level B.)
For the kids that are involved in Read Right, I can no longer work on
decoding/fix-up strategies with them or do word work as it applies to
reading - however you distinguish that. (They are still involved in our
Sitton word study.) They are not allowed to track with their finger. Also,
I don't meet with them in a small group setting anymore. They are involved
in independent reading/writing practice when they return to the room during
our literacy block.
We'll know if it "works" by the end of the year.
Teresa
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Subject: [MOSAIC] Question re Read Right

Angie Kelley

2008-12-09 13:42:44 UTC

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You can read about the Read Right! program in this book Read Right!:
Coaching Your Child to Excellence in Reading writtten by Dee Tadlock.
Based on what I've read, it's just teaching them effective reading
strategies with some motivational techniques thrown in.

Hope this helps!
Angie

Post by thomas
So what is it that they do??? Or is that all secret? Why wouldn't you
be allowed to do shared reading? Or are you? Can you do
comprehension work?
Their materials stress that they do both "fluency" and
"comprehension." Are
you allowed to work with the children on writing?
All this "exclusiveness" is kind of troubling. I am most anxious to
know what the strategies actually are.
Another thing that confuses me - it is supposedly an approach that works all
ages....through adults. And they also have a parent program. So if parents
can do it, why wouldn't a regular teacher at least be able to
supplement
In the classroom when the kids come back....or during other literacy times
of the day?
Thanks for any info you can still find out....
Sally
On 12/8/08 6:42 PM, "Chris and Teresa Casart" <chrisandteresa at cox.net>

Post by Chris and Teresa Casart
Read Right must be the new "big thing." As of three weeks ago, 5 of my kids
are being pulled for 40 minutes every day for Read Right tutoring.
I haven't had time to study it myself, but I do know it takes intense
teacher training to be able to use Read Right as an intervention.
(We're
talking about a minimum of 3 weeks of full-time training just to get
started.) In our school, RR is a 3rd tier intervention for kids who are
SIGNIFICANTLY below grade level in reading. (Like my 4th grader who
benchmarks at a GR level B.)
For the kids that are involved in Read Right, I can no longer work on
decoding/fix-up strategies with them or do word work as it applies to
reading - however you distinguish that. (They are still involved in our
Sitton word study.) They are not allowed to track with their
finger. Also,
I don't meet with them in a small group setting anymore. They are involved
in independent reading/writing practice when they return to the room during
our literacy block.
We'll know if it "works" by the end of the year.
Teresa
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From: "thomas" <sally.thomas4 at verizon.net>
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Subject: [MOSAIC] Question re Read Right

Post by thomas
Does anyone have information about the Read Right approach to reading? I
have accessed their web pages - claiming spectacular results. But I can't
see anything concrete about their theory of reading or the
strategies they
use.
Any info would be appreciated.
sally
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ljackson

2008-12-09 14:12:39 UTC

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Is this a small group intervention? Is the adult working with them a
certified teacher?

On 12/8/08 7:42 PM, "Chris and Teresa Casart" <chrisandteresa at cox.net>

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Todd County School District
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http:www.tcsdk12.org
ph. 605.856.2211

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Tucson, Arizona

ljackson

2008-12-09 14:15:35 UTC

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My information is that it is a k-12 program. How does it look across grade
level?

Post by thomas
So what is it that they do??? Or is that all secret? Why wouldn't you
be allowed to do shared reading? Or are you? Can you do comprehension work?
Their materials stress that they do both "fluency" and "comprehension." Are
you allowed to work with the children on writing?
All this "exclusiveness" is kind of troubling. I am most anxious to
know what the strategies actually are.
Another thing that confuses me - it is supposedly an approach that works all
ages....through adults. And they also have a parent program. So if parents
can do it, why wouldn't a regular teacher at least be able to supplement
In the classroom when the kids come back....or during other literacy times
of the day?
Thanks for any info you can still find out....
Sally
On 12/8/08 6:42 PM, "Chris and Teresa Casart" <chrisandteresa at cox.net>

thomas

2008-12-09 14:57:19 UTC

Permalink

Thanks Angie. I had heard about her a loooong time ago. Was wondering if
it was the same person. Then I too thought they were just effective
teaching strategies. It may work well because children are often NOT
experiencing effective strategies (to say the least...with scripted programs
and all) so this approach might help some kids. The problem with this at
this point to me seems like this is selling a PROGRAM so therefore it needs
to be seen as having an exclusive magic approach - it's not open. It
doesn't seem to recognize that it should be involving all of a child's
teachers etc. That may be a specific problem of implementation. At the
same time I could not find ANY specific information in their materials....
And the claims for result seem highly inflated....as if this program can do
it and good teachers can't.

Any comments from anyone else??

Thanks again for this insight. I will get her book.

Sally

Post by Angie Kelley
Coaching Your Child to Excellence in Reading writtten by Dee Tadlock.
Based on what I've read, it's just teaching them effective reading
strategies with some motivational techniques thrown in.
Hope this helps!
Angie

Post by thomas
So what is it that they do??? Or is that all secret? Why wouldn't
you
be allowed to do shared reading? Or are you? Can you do
comprehension work?
Their materials stress that they do both "fluency" and
"comprehension." Are
you allowed to work with the children on writing?
All this "exclusiveness" is kind of troubling. I am most anxious to
know what the strategies actually are.
Another thing that confuses me - it is supposedly an approach that
works all
ages....through adults. And they also have a parent program. So if
parents
can do it, why wouldn't a regular teacher at least be able to
supplement
In the classroom when the kids come back....or during other literacy
times
of the day?
Thanks for any info you can still find out....
Sally
On 12/8/08 6:42 PM, "Chris and Teresa Casart" <chrisandteresa at cox.net>

Post by Chris and Teresa Casart
Read Right must be the new "big thing." As of three weeks ago, 5
of my kids
are being pulled for 40 minutes every day for Read Right tutoring.
I haven't had time to study it myself, but I do know it takes intense
teacher training to be able to use Read Right as an intervention.
(We're
talking about a minimum of 3 weeks of full-time training just to get
started.) In our school, RR is a 3rd tier intervention for kids
who are
SIGNIFICANTLY below grade level in reading. (Like my 4th grader who
benchmarks at a GR level B.)
For the kids that are involved in Read Right, I can no longer work on
decoding/fix-up strategies with them or do word work as it applies to
reading - however you distinguish that. (They are still involved
in our
Sitton word study.) They are not allowed to track with their
finger. Also,
I don't meet with them in a small group setting anymore. They are
involved
in independent reading/writing practice when they return to the
room during
our literacy block.
We'll know if it "works" by the end of the year.
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas" <sally.thomas4 at verizon.net>
To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group"
<mosaic at literacyworkshop.org>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: [MOSAIC] Question re Read Right

Post by thomas
Does anyone have information about the Read Right approach to
reading? I
have accessed their web pages - claiming spectacular results. But
I can't
see anything concrete about their theory of reading or the
strategies they
use.
Any info would be appreciated.
sally
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Angie Kelley

2008-12-09 14:42:13 UTC

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I agree with you Sally. It's a little scary out there these days
because we are becoming so programmed to death! As a teacher I
wouldn't like it either if I wasn't "in" on what was going on with one
of my students. That really ties your hands as their teacher. I am
looking forward to the day when we stop looking for "the magic
solution" to reading problems and just do what works!

Angie

Post by thomas
Thanks Angie. I had heard about her a loooong time ago. Was
wondering if
it was the same person. Then I too thought they were just effective
teaching strategies. It may work well because children are often NOT
experiencing effective strategies (to say the least...with scripted programs
and all) so this approach might help some kids. The problem with this at
this point to me seems like this is selling a PROGRAM so therefore it needs
to be seen as having an exclusive magic approach - it's not open. It
doesn't seem to recognize that it should be involving all of a child's
teachers etc. That may be a specific problem of implementation. At the
same time I could not find ANY specific information in their
materials....
And the claims for result seem highly inflated....as if this program can do
it and good teachers can't.
Any comments from anyone else??
Thanks again for this insight. I will get her book.
Sally

Post by thomas
So what is it that they do??? Or is that all secret? Why wouldn't
you
be allowed to do shared reading? Or are you? Can you do
comprehension work?
Their materials stress that they do both "fluency" and
"comprehension." Are
you allowed to work with the children on writing?
All this "exclusiveness" is kind of troubling. I am most anxious to
know what the strategies actually are.
Another thing that confuses me - it is supposedly an approach that
works all
ages....through adults. And they also have a parent program. So if
parents
can do it, why wouldn't a regular teacher at least be able to
supplement
In the classroom when the kids come back....or during other literacy
times
of the day?
Thanks for any info you can still find out....
Sally
On 12/8/08 6:42 PM, "Chris and Teresa Casart" <chrisandteresa at cox.net

Post by Chris and Teresa Casart
Read Right must be the new "big thing." As of three weeks ago, 5
of my kids
are being pulled for 40 minutes every day for Read Right tutoring.
I haven't had time to study it myself, but I do know it takes intense
teacher training to be able to use Read Right as an intervention.
(We're
talking about a minimum of 3 weeks of full-time training just to get
started.) In our school, RR is a 3rd tier intervention for kids
who are
SIGNIFICANTLY below grade level in reading. (Like my 4th grader who
benchmarks at a GR level B.)
For the kids that are involved in Read Right, I can no longer work on
decoding/fix-up strategies with them or do word work as it
applies to
reading - however you distinguish that. (They are still involved
in our
Sitton word study.) They are not allowed to track with their
finger. Also,
I don't meet with them in a small group setting anymore. They are
involved
in independent reading/writing practice when they return to the
room during
our literacy block.
We'll know if it "works" by the end of the year.
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas" <sally.thomas4 at verizon.net>
To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group"
<mosaic at literacyworkshop.org>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: [MOSAIC] Question re Read Right

Post by thomas
Does anyone have information about the Read Right approach to
reading? I
have accessed their web pages - claiming spectacular results. But
I can't
see anything concrete about their theory of reading or the
strategies they
use.
Any info would be appreciated.
sally
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Rhonda Brinkman

2008-12-09 16:55:36 UTC

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For those wondering about Read Right I know. My district bought this
program on a whim a few years ago. I worked in it for 3 years.

Here's the sum: It is a 100 percent prescribed program! People from the
company train you to read from a manual. The people who train are not
certified teachers. In fact the company would rather not have reading
teachers do the program. hhhmmm
Also it is very expensive because of the training and "library" that has
to be purchased. The program claims to rewire networks by having kids
reread paragraphs for excellence. There is a very specific way this is
done. There is little or no comprehension because the program believes
that the neural networks need to be retrained before more in-depth reading
can began. The books are mostly of low quality and the library is very
small. YOU CANNOT digress from the program because the company will
guarantee only if you follow their program. NOW for me I did follow the
program (had no choice) and then the company blamed it on the people doing
the program.

This is a q

Thanks Angie. I had heard about her a loooong time ago. Was wondering if

Post by thomas
it was the same person. Then I too thought they were just effective
teaching strategies. It may work well because children are often NOT
experiencing effective strategies (to say the least...with scripted programs
and all) so this approach might help some kids. The problem with this at
this point to me seems like this is selling a PROGRAM so therefore it needs
to be seen as having an exclusive magic approach - it's not open. It
doesn't seem to recognize that it should be involving all of a child's
teachers etc. That may be a specific problem of implementation. At the
same time I could not find ANY specific information in their materials....
And the claims for result seem highly inflated....as if this program can do
it and good teachers can't.
Any comments from anyone else??
Thanks again for this insight. I will get her book.
Sally

Post by thomas
So what is it that they do??? Or is that all secret? Why wouldn't
you
be allowed to do shared reading? Or are you? Can you do
comprehension work?
Their materials stress that they do both "fluency" and
"comprehension." Are
you allowed to work with the children on writing?
All this "exclusiveness" is kind of troubling. I am most anxious to
know what the strategies actually are.
Another thing that confuses me - it is supposedly an approach that
works all
ages....through adults. And they also have a parent program. So if
parents
can do it, why wouldn't a regular teacher at least be able to
supplement
In the classroom when the kids come back....or during other literacy
times
of the day?
Thanks for any info you can still find out....
Sally
On 12/8/08 6:42 PM, "Chris and Teresa Casart" <chrisandteresa at cox.net>

Post by Chris and Teresa Casart
Read Right must be the new "big thing." As of three weeks ago, 5
of my kids
are being pulled for 40 minutes every day for Read Right tutoring.
I haven't had time to study it myself, but I do know it takes intense
teacher training to be able to use Read Right as an intervention.
(We're
talking about a minimum of 3 weeks of full-time training just to get
started.) In our school, RR is a 3rd tier intervention for kids
who are
SIGNIFICANTLY below grade level in reading. (Like my 4th grader who
benchmarks at a GR level B.)
For the kids that are involved in Read Right, I can no longer work on
decoding/fix-up strategies with them or do word work as it applies to
reading - however you distinguish that. (They are still involved
in our
Sitton word study.) They are not allowed to track with their
finger. Also,
I don't meet with them in a small group setting anymore. They are
involved
in independent reading/writing practice when they return to the
room during
our literacy block.
We'll know if it "works" by the end of the year.
Teresa
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From: "thomas" <sally.thomas4 at verizon.net>
To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group"
<mosaic at literacyworkshop.org>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: [MOSAIC] Question re Read Right

Post by thomas
Does anyone have information about the Read Right approach to
reading? I
have accessed their web pages - claiming spectacular results. But
I can't
see anything concrete about their theory of reading or the
strategies they
use.
Any info would be appreciated.
sally
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Rhonda Brinkman

2008-12-09 17:35:53 UTC

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Sorry it sent before I was finished----

I worked in it for three years and did I see students improve???sure but
not at the cost of real reading and the program. Read Right is very
expensive with the training and library. To me it makes more sense to put
the money to people and rich literature.
Please encourage people not by programs it just smothers our profession. I
almost quit teaching because of this! Thank God I got a new position. One
of the reasons why was because I asked too many questions about this
program. The owner of RR did not like me. Hmmmm

Please look at other things. Any questions let me know!

sally.thomas4

2008-12-09 19:13:26 UTC

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Wow thanks so much for this feedback. It's the underside of what
happens sometimes when we listen to words. Even when people use the
right words, even when they mention the effective strategies and so on,
we actually HAVE TO SEE IT IN USE, SEE THE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN CHILDREN
AND TEACHERS, SEE THE MATERIALS AND SO ON TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS REAL. I
have so so many times talked with people who truly believe they are
"something," e.g. a whole language teacher or a constructivist or a
whatever, and when I watch them teach I don't see that at all. That's
why we need deep rich experiences, seeing lots of examples, thinking
critically, thinking critically with others,trying things ourselves and
so on.......

I was afraid of something like this. So the book sounded good but....

Sally

Post by Rhonda Brinkman
Sorry it sent before I was finished----
I worked in it for three years and did I see students improve???sure
but
not at the cost of real reading and the program. Read Right is very
expensive with the training and library. To me it makes more sense to
put
the money to people and rich literature.
Please encourage people not by programs it just smothers our
profession. I
almost quit teaching because of this! Thank God I got a new position.
One
of the reasons why was because I asked too many questions about this
program. The owner of RR did not like me. Hmmmm
Please look at other things. Any questions let me know!
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Rhonda Brinkman

2008-12-10 19:43:41 UTC

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Yes! They are definitely sales people.

If you need more info-email me off line.

Wow thanks so much for this feedback. It's the underside of what

happens sometimes when we listen to words. Even when people use the
right words, even when they mention the effective strategies and so on,
we actually HAVE TO SEE IT IN USE, SEE THE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN CHILDREN
AND TEACHERS, SEE THE MATERIALS AND SO ON TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS REAL. I
have so so many times talked with people who truly believe they are
"something," e.g. a whole language teacher or a constructivist or a
whatever, and when I watch them teach I don't see that at all. That's
why we need deep rich experiences, seeing lots of examples, thinking
critically, thinking critically with others,trying things ourselves and
so on.......
I was afraid of something like this. So the book sounded good but....
Sally

Post by Rhonda Brinkman
Sorry it sent before I was finished----
I worked in it for three years and did I see students improve????sure
but
not at the cost of real reading and the program. Read Right is very
expensive with the training and library. To me it makes more sense to
put
the money to people and rich literature.
Please encourage people not by programs it just smothers our
profession. I
almost quit teaching because of this! Thank God I got a new position.
One
of the reasons why was because I asked too many questions about this
program. The owner of RR did not like me. Hmmmm
Please look at other things. Any questions let me know!
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